tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post3942017614420985031..comments2023-10-26T06:04:44.245-04:00Comments on Teaneck Talk: School TalkUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-15167598916111915072008-09-11T00:43:00.000-04:002008-09-11T00:43:00.000-04:00I'm an orthodox jew who is very interested in how ...I'm an orthodox jew who is very interested in how Teaneck runs it's school system. I don't use the system for my kids, but as a public school educated person, I am not in favor of this whole vouture system I hear people talking about. I think that if we chose to send our kids to private schools, we have to pay for both. That's just the way it is. I would love to run for the BOE, but I know that I wouldn't get in for various reasons...<BR/><BR/>1. Non jews wouldn't vote for me because I am an orthodox jew (unless maybe I posted my resume without my name).<BR/><BR/>2. Jews wouldn't vote for me because I am in favor of public school education. You'd have to be a moron not to be. After all, even though many of us like to pretend we live in a separate world, we don't! And it's best for all of us if everyone gets a good education.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-6903302010911717732008-09-10T18:37:00.000-04:002008-09-10T18:37:00.000-04:00It's nice to know that we are a good old #208 on t...It's nice to know that we are a good old #208 on the list of "Best Places To Live ". Quite an accolade? <BR/><BR/>(http://njmonthly.com/articles/best_of/best-places-to-live---201-300.html)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17710697846416984433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-23902225780978498222008-09-10T18:31:00.000-04:002008-09-10T18:31:00.000-04:00@2008anonyGood point.@2008anony<BR/><BR/>Good point.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17710697846416984433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-21340092262005178152008-09-10T17:30:00.000-04:002008-09-10T17:30:00.000-04:00More than 60% of the property taxes are paid by th...<I>More than 60% of the property taxes are paid by the orthodox community, which makes up less than 20% of the population.</I><BR/><BR/>Lets say that there are 10,000 taxpayers in Teaneck and $100,000,000 in taxes. The average taxpayer would pay $10,000.<BR/><BR/>In Pruzanskyland, the 2,000 orthodox taxpayers would pay $60,000,000 of the taxes so they would average of $30,000 per family. The 8,000 non-orthodox would pay the other $40,000,000 or about $5,000 a family. <BR/><BR/>These numbers are rough guesses but they can't be too far off and they don't even have commercial taxes included. If Pruzansky and his koolaid drinkers think that the average orthodox person pays 6 times as much tax as the average non-jew they have really drunk the potion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-40283499758819369042008-09-10T16:06:00.000-04:002008-09-10T16:06:00.000-04:00Thanks "what lola wants"...Thanks "what lola wants"...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-14597630362998455792008-09-10T16:03:00.000-04:002008-09-10T16:03:00.000-04:00Nah, Karin seems truly concerned and does praise t...Nah, Karin seems truly concerned and does praise the community when praise is due. Let's be fair.What Lola Wantshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17581032318058344966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-5448859775047458622008-09-10T15:57:00.000-04:002008-09-10T15:57:00.000-04:00Karin too.Karin too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-63120139131385330612008-09-10T14:42:00.000-04:002008-09-10T14:42:00.000-04:00Rob, thank you for your question. Those were my th...Rob, thank you for your question. Those were my thoughts exactly.<BR/><BR/>I think that Out Of Rightfield will be unhappy whereever he/she lives unless he/she were the dictator in charge. Out of Rightfield likes to complain. Probably has no power in his/her personal live; marriage or job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-19375872315854648772008-09-10T14:32:00.000-04:002008-09-10T14:32:00.000-04:00It is doubtful anyone Orthodox, no matter how expe...It is doubtful anyone Orthodox, no matter how experienced and expert in educational matters will ever be elected in Teaneck. Possibly if the election were moved away from the Passover holiday period (when even the Orthodox base a worthy candidate would try to build upon is too pre-occupied to vote)there might be a fair chance of electing strong candidates. <BR/><BR/>But as it stands now in Teaneck things will remain as they have been.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-48411274479166775902008-09-10T11:18:00.000-04:002008-09-10T11:18:00.000-04:00EstherOh that it was so. Before the Teaneck Cares...Esther<BR/><BR/>Oh that it was so. Before the Teaneck Cares slate effectively buried themselves they were attacked strongly for not having (and never having had) children in the Taneck school system. I found this especially interesting since the much admired Suprintendent at hat time seemed to able to run the District while living in NY and having no prior cotacts with Teanech, while overseeing the Superintendent seemed to requirer prior use of the schools.<BR/><BR/>The reality is that any Orthodox candidate will have overcome a prejudice that the only reason they are running is to cut the budget. I don't think that prejudice is necessarily fair, but I can certainly understand the concern on the part of parent (who presumably are the most likely to come out to vote).2008anonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493235735728266208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-18978485283982505772008-09-10T10:35:00.000-04:002008-09-10T10:35:00.000-04:00Can we agree that we do not need to over spend to ...Can we agree that we do not need to over spend to get a quality education for ALL children in the system?<BR/><BR/>I think that is what we are all upset about is the blatant squandering of funds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-8235611885525648292008-09-10T10:15:00.000-04:002008-09-10T10:15:00.000-04:00People with children who attend the public schools...People with children who attend the public schools would be more than willing to entertain the possibility of orthodox BOE members as long as the individuals could demonstrate a committment to high quality public education.<BR/><BR/>All this demogogery and divisive talk only makes the prospect of electing an orthodox BOE member less likely as it draws a philisophical bright line between communities that I don't think exists in reality.estherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03167474338822858416noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-39594492803526901582008-09-10T09:52:00.000-04:002008-09-10T09:52:00.000-04:00Out of Rightfield& you fail to mention that in...Out of Rightfield<BR/><BR/>& you fail to mention that in the 2003 elections the Teaneck Cares slate ran a farce of a campaign - repeatedly failing to show up at voter forums, appealing almost exclusively to the Orthodox community, and focusing almost exclusively on cutting spending without even attempting to address the quality of education beyond some talking points.<BR/><BR/>Not only did they deservedly lose, but in the process they discredited and seriously hurt the future prospects for BoE candidates from the Orthodox community.2008anonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493235735728266208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-71028866693848201022008-09-10T09:41:00.000-04:002008-09-10T09:41:00.000-04:00That statistic comes from Rabbi Pruzansky's rebutt...<I>That statistic comes from Rabbi Pruzansky's rebuttal to the Peter Apllebome written, Barbara Toffler inspired, New York Times article bashing Teaneck's orthodox community.</I><BR/><BR/>Rabbi Pruzansky pulled the "More than 60% of the property taxes are paid by the orthodox community, which makes up less than 20% of the population" straight out of his ass. Even he has been unable to explain how he came up with this statistic. At least he has found one person willing to push his right wing agenda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-61651205142959338142008-09-10T09:21:00.000-04:002008-09-10T09:21:00.000-04:00Out of Rightfield, why do you live in Teaneck? Yo...Out of Rightfield, why do you live in Teaneck? You don't like it here. Let's review your blog posts so far:<BR/><BR/>- In your opinion, there are too many Jews in Teaneck who are not "modern"<BR/><BR/>- You disapprove of people who have relocated to Teaneck from Israel<BR/><BR/>- You are unhappy funding the education of Teaneck's non-white children<BR/><BR/>Seriously, move. I don't know where you will find a place where everyone is exactly like you but Teaneck is certainly not that place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-51189267012496891902008-09-10T08:39:00.000-04:002008-09-10T08:39:00.000-04:00Tom fails to mention that the election in 2003 was...Tom fails to mention that the election in 2003 was held on the day before Erev Pesach when a large segment of the orthodox community (like me) was out of town, on their way out of town or a little bit busy doing holiday related cleaning and things.Out Of Rightfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11310866776917202344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-436118157360853432008-09-10T08:34:00.000-04:002008-09-10T08:34:00.000-04:00Using the site Tom refers to, we see Teaneck outsp...Using the site Tom refers to, we see Teaneck outspending all other large school districts in the county (3500+ students) by between$3000 and $4000 per student, while ranking lowest in the county (and 97th out of 104 large districts statewide, falling from 89th to 97the in the past year).<BR/>Using these numbers we see the 7th top ranked large school district in the state spends under $10,000 per student, while the 8th lowest ranked large school district (that's us) spends over $16,000 per student.<BR/>It's time for a change.Out Of Rightfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11310866776917202344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-47854357277255856492008-09-10T07:44:00.000-04:002008-09-10T07:44:00.000-04:00Paying for a school system you don't use is the sa...Paying for a school system you don't use is the same as allowing private property to come off the tax rolls for religious use when you are an atheist! Put that in your pipe.<BR/><BR/>Teaneck has more religiosly inspired tax exempts than any town in BCounty.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-17427123782478409422008-09-10T07:41:00.000-04:002008-09-10T07:41:00.000-04:00"Three members of the Orthodox community did run i..."Three members of the Orthodox community did run in the 2003 BofE election. They lost."<BR/><BR/>Of course they did! Anyone who runs for any office knowing NOTHING about the office or how the office is run and comes in with an attitude of "vote for me because I'm Orthodox" will lose. People are not as stupid as some of these guys think.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-31461958225660817402008-09-10T01:18:00.000-04:002008-09-10T01:18:00.000-04:00Joseph said...Any resident of Teaneck can run for ...Joseph said...<BR/><I>Any resident of Teaneck can run for the Board of Education. So if someone from the Orthodox community (to which I also belong) wants to run, he/she can. But my recollection is that no one has done so.</I><BR/><BR/>Three members of the Orthodox community did run in the <A HREF="http://election.tomabbott.net/SchoolBoard/Results04-15-03-unoffical.pdf" REL="nofollow">2003 BofE election</A>. They lost.Tom Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11109165343630003736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-22862370758856844002008-09-10T01:01:00.000-04:002008-09-10T01:01:00.000-04:00The statistics quoted by "out of rightfield" come ...The statistics quoted by "out of rightfield" come from <A HREF="http://www.anateisenberg.com/content/article.html?id=56975#" REL="nofollow">Anat Eisenberg's Sotheby's International Realty Site</A>.<BR/><BR/>It is difficult to ascertain where the numbers came from but they don't appear to be accurate. In addition to the $73,897 number for Teacher's salaries it also lists Teaneck's spending per student at $9,768.<BR/><BR/>I have not checked any of the other "verified statistics" this blogger posted but actual statistics are available of the <A HREF="http://www.state.nj.us/education/data/" REL="nofollow">NJ Department of Education Data</A> page. The <A HREF="http://www.state.nj.us/education/guide/2008/k-12.pdf" REL="nofollow">2008 Comparative Spending Guide</A> lists the Teaneck median teacher's salary at $66,900 for the 2007-2008 school year and the comparative cost per student at $16,087.Tom Abbotthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11109165343630003736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-22993309605980690592008-09-10T00:32:00.000-04:002008-09-10T00:32:00.000-04:00Actually what is really screwed up is the numbers ...Actually what is really screwed up is the numbers on the website you linked to. Teaneck definitely outspends almost all neighboring districts in teacher compensation, the real numbers are bad enough. However, any discussion on this subject must be grounded in accurate and current information, not the first thing Google turns up.2008anonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09493235735728266208noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-4979315819138085592008-09-09T23:36:00.000-04:002008-09-09T23:36:00.000-04:00Here are some pertinent average teacher salary com...Here are some pertinent average teacher salary comparisons (from http://www.anateisenberg.com/content/article.html?id=56975##0 Table)<BR/>Teaneck: $73,897<BR/>Tenafly: $44,528<BR/>Closter: $48,809<BR/>Demarest: $32,797<BR/>Englewood: $43,783<BR/>Leonia: $29,320<BR/>Fort Lee: $39,548<BR/>Does anybody besides me see that something is very screwed up in Teaneck?Out Of Rightfieldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11310866776917202344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-73752370776696799542008-09-09T23:26:00.000-04:002008-09-09T23:26:00.000-04:00Isn't Rabbi Pruzansky Teaneck's version of Rev. Wr...Isn't Rabbi Pruzansky Teaneck's version of Rev. Wright who a number of years ago proposed that the West Englewood section of Teaneck withdraw from Teaneck and start their own town so they would not have to pay school and/or property taxes? I stopped going to his synagogue years ago when he would get up, point and scream at people by name who disagreed with him. Isn't one of the worst things you can do in Jewish Law is embarrass someone publically rabbi? I don't care if Pruzansky used to be a criminal lawyer, He's more of an embarrassment to the religious Jewish community than those that return from living in Israel whom Out of Rightfield seems to think should not be acknowledged as people who want to work for the community they live in (Teaneck).<BR/><BR/>I wouldn't trust anything that Pruzansky said at face value. He is sooooo egotistical and self serving! I want to see TRUE statistics!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3441116095799155692.post-15691865112140486582008-09-09T23:24:00.000-04:002008-09-09T23:24:00.000-04:00Can you post average SAT scores for THS over the l...Can you post average SAT scores for THS over the last generation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com